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		<title>By: Water Cooling – Are you nuts? « AMD at Play &#124; H2O Report</title>
		<link>http://blogs.amd.com/play/2009/06/15/water-cooling-are-you-nuts/comment-page-2/#comment-628</link>
		<dc:creator>Water Cooling – Are you nuts? « AMD at Play &#124; H2O Report</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 23:33:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
		<link>http://blogs.amd.com/play/2009/06/15/water-cooling-are-you-nuts/comment-page-2/#comment-627</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jun 2009 14:38:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Domino ALC does alert you of any failures with the pump or fan...

its a pretty nifty unit compared to the &quot;PURE&quot;

Very quick and easy installation and It does a good job keeping the temps down... I noticed a lot of noise from the pure Unit (the pump) but no problems with the DOMINO so far...

Coolit Systems also have some very very good customer service they stand behind their product 100%</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Domino ALC does alert you of any failures with the pump or fan&#8230;</p>
<p>its a pretty nifty unit compared to the &#8220;PURE&#8221;</p>
<p>Very quick and easy installation and It does a good job keeping the temps down&#8230; I noticed a lot of noise from the pure Unit (the pump) but no problems with the DOMINO so far&#8230;</p>
<p>Coolit Systems also have some very very good customer service they stand behind their product 100%</p>
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		<title>By: xfloggingkylex</title>
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		<dc:creator>xfloggingkylex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jun 2009 02:15:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-669&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@Barrolde&lt;/a&gt;, no kidding, 1% is remarkable.

Does the system have measures to alert you when one of these parts fail?  I imagine they do and it may even been included in the specs, but I can&#039;t remember.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-669" rel="nofollow">@Barrolde</a>, no kidding, 1% is remarkable.</p>
<p>Does the system have measures to alert you when one of these parts fail?  I imagine they do and it may even been included in the specs, but I can&#8217;t remember.</p>
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		<title>By: Barrolde</title>
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		<dc:creator>Barrolde</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 21:52:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sure, there are two moving parts.. the pump and the fan. Once in a while as with anything that is mass produced you get one that either isn&#039;t working or isn&#039;t working right. Right now we are hovering just under a 1% failure rate which is actually just down right impressive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sure, there are two moving parts.. the pump and the fan. Once in a while as with anything that is mass produced you get one that either isn&#8217;t working or isn&#8217;t working right. Right now we are hovering just under a 1% failure rate which is actually just down right impressive.</p>
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		<title>By: xfloggingkylex</title>
		<link>http://blogs.amd.com/play/2009/06/15/water-cooling-are-you-nuts/comment-page-2/#comment-624</link>
		<dc:creator>xfloggingkylex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 15:39:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-656&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@Barrolde&lt;/a&gt;, can you elaborate more on what types of failures you are in fact seeing, regardless of how rare?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-656" rel="nofollow">@Barrolde</a>, can you elaborate more on what types of failures you are in fact seeing, regardless of how rare?</p>
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		<title>By: xfloggingkylex</title>
		<link>http://blogs.amd.com/play/2009/06/15/water-cooling-are-you-nuts/comment-page-2/#comment-623</link>
		<dc:creator>xfloggingkylex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 15:37:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-651&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@anon&lt;/a&gt;, if you read the entire article it was all explained.  The barbs that broke were reproduction models, and the current models that you buy from retailers do not have that problem.  And they probably didn&#039;t want it written about because that&#039;s terrible for marketing.

I think the Domino is a good idea, I&#039;m just not sure where its niche is.  It is barely better than top end air cooling (if at all, depending on which reviews you are reading), yet costs a fair amount more.

Sure it is a no maintenance water solution, but if it doesn&#039;t cool better than air, what does that matter?

I&#039;m of the opinion that CoolIT has come out with a great product in theory, but it just doesn&#039;t pan out as well as it should/could.

Ways to improve:

Larger radiator for better cooling.
Ability to use externally.
Larger diameter tubing.
With these additions, increase the cost.

If you do that and possibly lower the cost of the Domino just slightly, you could have a kit for people who want a little more than air, and for people that want true water.

As it stands the Domino isn&#039;t enough for enthusiasts and is too much for anyone who doesn&#039;t overclock.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-651" rel="nofollow">@anon</a>, if you read the entire article it was all explained.  The barbs that broke were reproduction models, and the current models that you buy from retailers do not have that problem.  And they probably didn&#8217;t want it written about because that&#8217;s terrible for marketing.</p>
<p>I think the Domino is a good idea, I&#8217;m just not sure where its niche is.  It is barely better than top end air cooling (if at all, depending on which reviews you are reading), yet costs a fair amount more.</p>
<p>Sure it is a no maintenance water solution, but if it doesn&#8217;t cool better than air, what does that matter?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m of the opinion that CoolIT has come out with a great product in theory, but it just doesn&#8217;t pan out as well as it should/could.</p>
<p>Ways to improve:</p>
<p>Larger radiator for better cooling.<br />
Ability to use externally.<br />
Larger diameter tubing.<br />
With these additions, increase the cost.</p>
<p>If you do that and possibly lower the cost of the Domino just slightly, you could have a kit for people who want a little more than air, and for people that want true water.</p>
<p>As it stands the Domino isn&#8217;t enough for enthusiasts and is too much for anyone who doesn&#8217;t overclock.</p>
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		<title>By: Barrolde</title>
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		<dc:creator>Barrolde</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 22:03:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ anon

As I have attempted to explain before, the first unit we sent bit-tech for review was either damaged during shipping or assembly and broke when it shouldn&#039;t have during installation under what we all considered to be non excessive force.

Of course, this turned bit-tech off the unit quite a lot and they actually took it upon themselves to &#039;stress test&#039; the next two units we sent in. Not surprisingly, the plastic barb broke two more times but for both of these I am certain that an excessive amount of force was used. They may disagree but I was there for one of the breaks and in my opinion, that much pressure would never be exerted on the barb in that way during normal handling, installation or operation. In other words, if you set out to try to break something, you probably will. Ie. if you were to push on the caps of a motherboard with your thumbs, chances are you&#039;ll end up with a dead motherboard. The unfortunate part for us is the failure mode for a liquid system is alot messier than it is a motherboard so it looks worse on us.

As for me asking them not to write about it, I did ask that. Bit-tech is an influential site and their reviews affect buying decisions. I did not feel their experience was indicative of a typical user experience and therefore it wasn&#039;t fair to us. In fact, its not even representative of the typical reviewer experience considering there are over 40 other extremely positive reviews out there but at the end of the day they are entitled to their opinion so they wrote about their experience and I can&#039;t fault them for it.

I oversee the selling and returns of all Domino ALC coolers in the whole of Europe and can personally attest that the failure rate is extremely low and of those few failures I know of only a handful of those that have actually leaked.

I hope you can appreciate this honest and candid answer from a manufacturer. We take great pride in what we do and strive to deliver excellent value to our customers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ anon</p>
<p>As I have attempted to explain before, the first unit we sent bit-tech for review was either damaged during shipping or assembly and broke when it shouldn&#8217;t have during installation under what we all considered to be non excessive force.</p>
<p>Of course, this turned bit-tech off the unit quite a lot and they actually took it upon themselves to &#8216;stress test&#8217; the next two units we sent in. Not surprisingly, the plastic barb broke two more times but for both of these I am certain that an excessive amount of force was used. They may disagree but I was there for one of the breaks and in my opinion, that much pressure would never be exerted on the barb in that way during normal handling, installation or operation. In other words, if you set out to try to break something, you probably will. Ie. if you were to push on the caps of a motherboard with your thumbs, chances are you&#8217;ll end up with a dead motherboard. The unfortunate part for us is the failure mode for a liquid system is alot messier than it is a motherboard so it looks worse on us.</p>
<p>As for me asking them not to write about it, I did ask that. Bit-tech is an influential site and their reviews affect buying decisions. I did not feel their experience was indicative of a typical user experience and therefore it wasn&#8217;t fair to us. In fact, its not even representative of the typical reviewer experience considering there are over 40 other extremely positive reviews out there but at the end of the day they are entitled to their opinion so they wrote about their experience and I can&#8217;t fault them for it.</p>
<p>I oversee the selling and returns of all Domino ALC coolers in the whole of Europe and can personally attest that the failure rate is extremely low and of those few failures I know of only a handful of those that have actually leaked.</p>
<p>I hope you can appreciate this honest and candid answer from a manufacturer. We take great pride in what we do and strive to deliver excellent value to our customers.</p>
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		<title>By: Barrolde</title>
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		<dc:creator>Barrolde</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 21:33:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ SonDa5

I like the fan idea, it would also allow people to use a push / pull config if they wanted to.

As for the tubing size - we&#039;ve actually done extensive testing and large hoses only help if you have a large innefficient block. Tube size is more about balancing components than hard and fast &quot;bigger is better&quot;.

Designing an enclosed system like this is much different than piecing together a custom cooling system from pieces. In that situation, the parts are not tested and matched together so it might be safer to get the big tubing, ultra-flow pump, and massive radiator.

These things being said, we&#039;re of course always working to improve things so please keep the feedback (and questions) coming!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ SonDa5</p>
<p>I like the fan idea, it would also allow people to use a push / pull config if they wanted to.</p>
<p>As for the tubing size &#8211; we&#8217;ve actually done extensive testing and large hoses only help if you have a large innefficient block. Tube size is more about balancing components than hard and fast &#8220;bigger is better&#8221;.</p>
<p>Designing an enclosed system like this is much different than piecing together a custom cooling system from pieces. In that situation, the parts are not tested and matched together so it might be safer to get the big tubing, ultra-flow pump, and massive radiator.</p>
<p>These things being said, we&#8217;re of course always working to improve things so please keep the feedback (and questions) coming!</p>
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		<title>By: anon</title>
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		<dc:creator>anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 17:21:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is to coolit; can you explain the multiple failures that happened with the units at bit-tech you supplied? where the nipple repeatedly came apart at the radiator??
Can you explain accordingly by that article writer you did not want them to write about it.
They showed pictures of the failed nipple.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is to coolit; can you explain the multiple failures that happened with the units at bit-tech you supplied? where the nipple repeatedly came apart at the radiator??<br />
Can you explain accordingly by that article writer you did not want them to write about it.<br />
They showed pictures of the failed nipple.</p>
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		<title>By: wpeltola</title>
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		<dc:creator>wpeltola</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 15:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-611&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@Ian McNaughton&lt;/a&gt;, Now you guys have me really interested! I&#039;ll do some research and see what it will take for me to get started. Thanks!

- Bill</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-611" rel="nofollow">@Ian McNaughton</a>, Now you guys have me really interested! I&#8217;ll do some research and see what it will take for me to get started. Thanks!</p>
<p>- Bill</p>
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