The ATI Radeon HD 5800 series graphics card were released today and AMD Product Manager David Baumann expands on how these graphics cards have been effectively designed based on product and feature feedback provided by you!
The ATI RadeonTM HD 5800 series graphics card were released today – a culmination of efforts from an enormous team of people spread across the world and I get the privilege of being the product manager for it. No doubt that if you’re reading this posting, you’ll already have heard about the headline features of this new generation of graphics boards: Expand the PC experience with ATI Eyefinity multi-display technology, Accelerate with ATI Stream technology and Dominate your competition with Microsoft DirectX® 11 support (and 2x the engine of the previous generation with 2.72 teraFLOPS of processing power!).
Many of AMD’s employees take pride in directly interacting with customers and listening to what they want; likewise in my former life running a community-based site, I like to try to stay in touch with what people are looking for in their graphics cards. So, I’d like to expand a little on how these graphics cards have been effectively designed based on product and feature feedback provided by you!
First off, let’s consider some of the new image quality features present in the ATI Radeon HD 5800 Series GPUs. Following the feedback we’ve received, the texture filtering quality has been improved such that we now have a near perfect circle in the anisotropic filtering tests – the same level of filtering can be achieved irrespective of the angle the texture is at as it appears into the screen. However, beyond this, all the texture weights and levels of detail are now calculated at higher precision than previous generations of AMD GPUs (i.e. the ATI RadeonTM HD 4800 series).
Game image quality improvement doesn’t stop with texture quality though. Anti-Aliasing also sees some improvements. We’ve made some architectural changes to improve the performance of our CFAA (Custom Filter Anti-Aliasing) modes and also the performance delta between 4x Multi-Sample Anti-Aliasing (MSAA) and 8x MSAA is very small, making 8x AA attainable to use in many more cases. Additionally, largely due to your feedback, Super-Sampling Anti-Aliasing makes a comeback. Although Super-Sampling is one of the oldest types of AA we did need to make hardware changes to iterate each of the subsamples over a single draw call and this, coupled with the raw performance of ATI Radeon HD 5800 series GPUs, makes for good use-case scenarios in many DirectX® 9 and OpenGL titles.
Then we come to power. There is a general industry trend towards great power efficiency, but we’ve certainly heard that echoed from many end users, especially where GDDR5 products are concerned. With the ATI Radeon HD 5800 series we’ve implemented a new memory controller that, despite higher memory speeds and data rates, is incredibly power efficient at load and idle.1 Coupled with the 40nm process and other architectural power improvements this enables a peak board power of 188W whilst providing up to twice the performance of the previous generation (i.e. the ATI Radeon HD 4800 series GPUs)1. Additionally, we now have the capability of switching the memory speed of GDDR5 devices dynamically and enter into “low strobe mode” (a mode with similar signaling as GDDR3) enabling us to crank up to 4.8Gbps bandwidth at peak operation, and down to 0.6Gbps bandwidth at idle. When taken in conjunction with a low idle engine speed of 157Mhz this enables us to get great idle power figures of 27W or below. 1 We didn’t stop there and offered something extra to those of you running multiple GPU’s per system – by making use of Windows Vista® and Windows® 7’s “Linked Adapter” mode we can determine when the additional GPUs in a multi-GPU setup are not required to be used (such as in desktop operation) and drop their idle power even lower than 27W, thus enabling you to have fantastic performance on tap when its needed but not chewing up loads of power when it’s not.
Low power operation allows us to take care of another area that registered a lot of feedback from our users of the ATI Radeon HD 4800 Series, and that is in the area of GPU heat. Although ASIC’s can typically run at very high temperatures with no issues, many users expressed their concerns on the previous generation (i.e. the ATI Radeon HD 4800 series), but on the ATI Radeon HD 5800 series we are able to run full speeds at much lower peak temperatures. What may be perceived as the obvious trade off for lower peak operating temperatures would be that this has come from fan speed and the audibility has increased, however in the case of the ATI Radeon HD 5870 graphics card, the increased board size facilitates greater surface area for heat dissipation via the fansink, so in fact we don’t need to trade off in fan speeds. Likewise, with such low idle/desktop power thanks the low idle/desktop power we can also run the fan as low as 1200RPM, much lower than we’ve run in previous generations (i.e. the ATI Radeon HD 4800 series), while the ASIC stays in approximately a 40-50C operating temperate range (in an open case). 1 The fan itself has had changes, with new bearings that produce a much lower tone, effectively making it barely audible while idling and producing a less piercing note at speed.
We’ve also put additional protection on to the board in order to better cope with runaway power scenarios. Whilst our previous boards have been able to capture unusual thermal events in a graceful manner, runaway power scenarios resulted in the board protecting itself by shutting down. With the ATI Radeon HD 5800 series we’ve implemented a hardware-level overvolt protection scheme where a signal from the regulators can be fed into the GPU directly and the GPU can take action if the regulators indicate they are operating out of their specification. In the unlikely event that such a scenario happens, rather than the board turning off, the GPU is designed to clock down to get the regulators back into a normal operating zone and then clock back up when they have done so.
Finally, we wanted to give a little something else back to you, in the form of a new look and feel for the product. We set out to make a new fansink design that would make the board seem more of an all encompassed product, rather than merely another PC component, but still unmistakably say “ATI Radeon” (quite literally as it turns out!). Whilst the PCI Express specification would tend to dictate a fairly rectangular box, we sought to give these boards some more visual cues and styling’s, and we hope that you’ll like the result – judging by some of the images and avatars already cropping up, it appears to have already captured some people’s imaginations, and we’re getting a kick out of seeing them.
Lots of direct feedback from our user community has gone into making these new graphics processors, a product we are proud of, and one that I personally consider to be the best high-end ATI Radeon graphics board produced so far. We hope you like the fruits of your labours. Happy gaming!
Want more? See the ATI Radeon HD 5000 series in action with an ATI Eyefinity technology demonstration. Or learn more about the advanced 3D graphics capabilties build into Microsoft DirectX 11.
1 All results cited in this blog were performed on AMD reference design and measured in AMD internal labs.
David Baumann is a Product Manager at AMD. His postings are his own opinions and may not represent AMD’s positions, strategies or opinions. Links to third party sites are provided for convenience and unless explicitly stated, AMD is not responsible for the contents of such linked sites and no endorsement is implied.


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#1 by lobi - September 23rd, 2009 at 04:25
At last we can start benching! YAY!
#2 by Rick - September 23rd, 2009 at 05:09
We Want good drivers for Power that cards, like my HD4850…. Not new cards, OK new power cards+ bad drivers?!
#3 by burbz101 - September 23rd, 2009 at 06:16
I have been an nvidia fan for some time now but just seeing that amd/ati have realy listend to what people want, and seeing that they put so much hard work and consideration into their products, i am now changing to amd. My next build will be all amd and hopefully i can get 1 of these badboy cards =P
#4 by Joseph - September 23rd, 2009 at 08:44
although a very Windowsy post (I’m a Linux user), I’m looking forward to buying more ATI cards if you can follow through. Currently, Intel is king on the “Just Works” front (they have several X developers, and their drivers are always working right out of the box) and NVidia works on the horsepower front (but is a relative pain with the drivers). Perhaps ATI/AMD will be able to strike a good enough balance for me to build a computing system with them in instead of NVidia’s CUDA thanks to OpenCL. If so, my next computing cluster may have ATI and AMD as its foundation.
Do you have X developers like Intel does? I know you’ve been much better about releasing documentation to the X devs.
#5 by jared - September 23rd, 2009 at 10:53
Great job on the 5870 Mr. Baumann… please widen the airflow outlet molded inside the fansink and fix the vents on the backplate..
http://i30.tinypic.com/2hycp60.jpg
#6 by 1984 - September 23rd, 2009 at 18:11
Good work on the new cards. I still have one complaint though and that is the cooling system which should be further improved. Let the days of small fans with high RPM’s be over. I don’t think any card should go above 1000rpm (preferably 800rpm) at full load.
I’ll get a 5850 as soon as I they are (more widely) available and I can change the cooling system…
#7 by lobi - September 23rd, 2009 at 20:49
I have seen Extreme overclockers puting a lot of voltage into cards to obtain some serious numbers. How will these power regulators effect extreme oveclocking is it possible to bypass them? Just curious is all.
#8 by lobi - September 23rd, 2009 at 20:55
sorry dumb question.
#9 by fanofbigfans - September 24th, 2009 at 04:38
Bigger fans for the nextgen please!
#10 by Brian - September 24th, 2009 at 07:13
Very informative post. Top to bottom there’s now zero reason to get anything from nvidia. Good job ATI/AMD
#11 by Mark - September 24th, 2009 at 09:04
Looks like a nice card But if it has Crap Linux drivers it will be another nvidia for me. Do people still run windows? I have a smoken AMD System with 8gigs mem just wish I had a AMD Graphic card that run linux well.
#12 by Gavin T - September 24th, 2009 at 10:44
Hi Ian, just thought you should know this as it’s likely to annoy many UK buyers, such as myself. If the RRP for the 5870 and 5850 are $399 and $299 respectively, we in the UK are paying around $100 more. I know there are import duties and that to consider but the 5870 is selling for about $499 here, and more at some retailers. I really want at least one of these beauties in my machine but I simply can’t afford that! Now imagine how much more the 5870 X2 is going to cost us…can AMD not have words with the UK retailers to lower prices or is it simply that they want to make a few quid from the early buyers?
Many thanks!
#13 by Ian McNaughton - September 25th, 2009 at 12:26
AMD does not control retail pricing, we control the price of the product we sell to our AIB partners only…
I lived in the UK last year and I was shocked at how expensive it is to cross the channel… I feel your frustration… Please talk to your retailers, they ultimately decide pricing.
#14 by Gavin T - September 29th, 2009 at 06:36
@Ian McNaughton, Thanks for your reply Ian. I suspect that I’d have little joy if I asked them to lower their prices. There’s also the problem of there being no cards in stock, is there any news on mass availability of the cards?
#15 by BmB - September 24th, 2009 at 14:48
Between supersampling, wide tent and the new anisotropic filtering the 5000 series provide near perfect image quality. However, one thing remains. Negative lod bias clamp, which will help resolve much texture shimmering that developers falsely thought was a good idea. I beg you, will we ever see this?
#16 by jared - September 26th, 2009 at 19:58
Huge ati fan here. I have a couple of requests for the next design or redesign of the 5800-series 5850/5870 cooler and fan shroud. I realize a part of the case will cover some of the central area between the top & bottom ports on the rear panel. I assume it’s too much work to redesign the pcb and remove that top DVI, and have DVI-hdmi-DP or to proceed with DVI-miniDP-DVI like on hemlock. Also some breathing room around the fan for air intake when in crossfire.
Please consider these drawings I made
http://i34.tinypic.com/24132w8.jpg
http://i38.tinypic.com/wcn1qo.jpg
#17 by Gavin T - September 29th, 2009 at 06:39
@jared, I like your drawings, I was quite shocked to see how small the vents are on the reference design. I think when manufacturers start making cards with their own coolers we might see bigger vents and lower temps.
#18 by Mark - September 29th, 2009 at 07:45
Outstanding product, i just want to notice that users and clients shouldn’t say “mr do that to the card, make it throw multi-color laser beams” but first ask why the design got there, all product has compromises!
I know that better cooling solutions will come in the future, but i’m sure a competent engineer took care of that rear small vent. Air flow is affected by diameter as mush as speed.
As a former mechanical engineering student, it’s nice to see people interested in thermodynamics, so a further insight on cooler/fan design, will be nice to see. The bearing choice is really interesting to know, a review site couldn’t possibly see that.
By the way, that “runaway power scenario”, could be triggered by amd overdrive utility?, i have an issue when i apply pwm fan settings on it, my video signal goes down, it seems to happen only when desktop is busy, so my 4850 could be at high clocks and shut itself down due to some power oddities when i apply some settings via aou…?
#19 by Andrzej - September 29th, 2009 at 07:51
There is a problem with aviability not only in Poland, but in Europe. Most of retailers have it listed as pre-order. Poland got 500 pieces of the 5870, and according to the shops I been talking too, no new shipment is supposed to arrive till end of October.
Any chance for AMD/ATI to send more of the cards to Europe, we also want them, they do not belong only to America
#20 by Xajel - September 30th, 2009 at 03:11
There has been a lot of negative responses about F@H performance of HD 4000 series, but it was related to the core used that isn’t optimized for RV7×0 series of GPU… I wonder if this will happen again in RV8×0…
I know the developer is working on OpenCL version now as he think it doesn’t worth to work on the older core, but the question is how well RV7×0 and RV8×0 will perform on Folding@Home with OpenCL ? and when we can expect these ?
#21 by Gavin T - October 2nd, 2009 at 06:32
It’s been ten days since this article was written and there are still very few cards around here in the UK, in fact there are no HD 5850 cards at all. The rest of Europe, I believe, is also in the same boat. I had hoped that these cards would be available just like the HD 4800 series were last year, I got my HD 4890 before it’s official release. When are we going to see these cards? I really want one…no! I want two! But I can only dream about getting them right now because there simply aren’t available to buy.
#22 by Veres Marian - October 2nd, 2009 at 07:53
Driver can contain FPS limit for DX and OGL/OCL ?
Ex. limit to 60. (HD5xxx) vga cards will consume less power ? Even CPU ? I saw idle power going down, but can it be used this way ? That would be appreciated by anyone.
#23 by genetix - October 3rd, 2009 at 05:47
Well, as an NVIDIA old time used 5200->8600->9800 this just rules, if it can be deliver in any decent timeline. Even while delayed it’s still damn cool looking card.
Just ordered couple we’ll see is it 1-2-3 weeks, but well hopefully before NVIDIA fakes gets around.
2cents for dx11 copied from other post:
DirectX 11 for Vista.. ;O
http://i35.tinypic.com/m8jjfo.png
http://i33.tinypic.com/2ni36fn.png
^ Thanks MS for early update..
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=081c218f-c845-47d1-b124-71f80bf21638&displaylang=en
#24 by genetix - October 3rd, 2009 at 05:50
O fail to mention. ATI driver updates once / month just has to go since even the once a month drivers doesn’t seem to fix all the issues on hand. More rapid updates is needed and damn fast to fix minor issues all the time.
Although, don’t really care are they leaked or what ever as long the fix something to keep software anywhere near the levels of hardware you guys build.
#25 by Thomas - October 4th, 2009 at 04:02
Hi
I have after a couple of years on the green side returned to ATI by replacing my GTX260-216 with a 5870. I’m really impressed of the new video card but I also have some problems.
Using XP, anisotropic filtering and aaa doesn’t seem to work at all. Are you guys aware of the problem and will it be fixed in a future driver?
Af & AAA makes miracles for IQ and I really hope these bugs will be addressed.
#26 by Gianluca - October 6th, 2009 at 10:09
Hello AMDers!
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ATI Radeon HD 5800 have impressed me a LOT!
But… I can’t buy because lack optimal support of Linux, similar to Windows, and GPU accelerated videos! I hope You fix it soon… I’m old user of AMD and ATi products (since K6-2 350MHz
#27 by Кино - October 6th, 2009 at 11:38
I’m just impressed with the new video card.
When it goes on sale in Russia and how much it will cost us?
#28 by mark` - October 9th, 2009 at 10:17
never ever ship us off with crappy fans again! lol@lol.
that was really the only big flaw of the 4xxx range.
#29 by ET - October 11th, 2009 at 02:36
I love the low idle power. That’s the thing that most impressed me about the new cards, since I didn’t expect it. I’m waiting for the 57×0 reviews. Will probably get one of those to replace my 3870 / GeForce 9600 (alternating in my PC for various reasons).
#30 by Erin - October 11th, 2009 at 19:32
Thanks for listening David! I love the new fansink design. I feel like this new product is exactly what I’ve always wanted.
#31 by Gavin T - October 12th, 2009 at 13:21
I don’t want to come across like a moaning old so and so even though I probably am, but these cards are still thin on the ground and those that are around are very expensive. Why has Europe seemingly been neglected? People are expecting the prices to drop when nVidia launches their GT300 based cards but some people are estimating Q1 2010 so at least three months away. Please send more to us lot over here, we’re desperate for more, especially those HD 5850 cards.
Thanks.
#32 by Perfect-Blue - October 13th, 2009 at 10:24
Are there will be drivers for windows XP 32/64 bit?
#33 by Silver77 - October 16th, 2009 at 23:04
The 5870 has won me over. I was in the *other camp forever. All the parts of my new build are on the bench at NCIX. Except the xfx 5870. PLEASE open the pipelines.
Next problem: I ordered 3 monitors. Now after extensively checking and discovering the Display port disaster, I am in a bind. The widely publicized Del active adapter is not available in Canada. DP monitors at NCIX are 400.00 more than any other! Ironic since the DP standard has no royalty fees to the manufacturer, yet they have taken the opportunity to gouge us. And now it is worse, because with the 5800 series a lot of us are having to go pay for them in order to get their system you guys have sold us on up and running!
#34 by Liz - October 18th, 2009 at 17:17
If AMD wants to be a global force, they need to step up their customer service globally, not just nationally.
Also, monthly updates are great if they are well thought out. However, if AMD is just updating quickly and sloppily, updates are useless.
#35 by Boy66 - October 22nd, 2009 at 13:01
As we face the future, the prognosis for the dollar and for the international monetary system is grim indeed. ,
#36 by bessy - October 23rd, 2009 at 05:54
when are we expecting the HD 5870×2 to come out
im english
but im going to order in from america as everything is way 2 expesive here im not suprised that they arent shiping to uk when it will cost less to get a return ticket to america pop in to a shop buy it and fly back over with it as hand lugage
it sounds funny i know but if i buy a ticket in advance wala
its like everything over here
a xbox game in america $50 here £40-£50
£15-£20 cheaper and if your willing to wait a few weeks £6 shiping
£9 cheaper
just like the 5870 in america $399 = about £240
in uk shop £400
even with £20-£30 shiping is so much cheaper
#37 by Davey - October 26th, 2009 at 12:05
UK availability 0 yep a big fat 0, since initial release it seems suppliers have either held back to keep price artificially high ($100 more than USA anyway)or they simply are not available at all which makes the slick advertising very disappointing. Will AMD be shipping more to Europe/UK? Or have you already done so? in which case perhaps pressure on the suppliers?
#38 by Gundoseoo - November 2nd, 2009 at 07:42
Aloha! ttx
#39 by Michael Rigby - November 10th, 2009 at 10:33
So were are they? This article carrys no date but the first comment was on the 23rd September thats well over a month ago. I ordered a computer with crossfire 5850’s on the 27th October and it cant be built because these cards are nowhere in sight, niether are they at any of the main component dealers here in the UK. Whats all this about if you cant even supply the cards.
#40 by Jamie Carnon - November 11th, 2009 at 06:19
I agree with comment #39, it would seem impossible to get a hold of these cards. I have had mine on back order since 8th Oct and still nothing. I have looked at all the component sites I know of (Dabs, Scan, Ebuyer, Overclockers, Eclipse and more) there is no stock anywhere. Come on now sort it out.
#41 by SteveO - November 11th, 2009 at 16:48
Concur with 39/40. I see no one in the US as having these in stock. Its been 3-4 weeks now since I built my new Win7 machine but still running an old Nvidia 8600GT since I can’t get ahold of a 5850/5870 anywhere. Or is this just vaporware now?
#42 by billb - November 12th, 2009 at 23:00
With direct audio transfer for blueray and hd radio when will a 5000 series all in wonder card be available? If in planning stages do away with s-video and provide HDMI.
#43 by CamPatUK - November 17th, 2009 at 03:35
I have a 5850, in order to get it to fit in my Lian-Li i had to remove a screw from the back plate of the graphics card. Why would you not try to keep the screws as flush as possible?
Is my card at any risk with this one screw removed?
#44 by CamPatUK - November 19th, 2009 at 04:13
I think i’ll post this over at Powercolor instead, oops.