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Aug 12

Playing 20 Questions (Part 3)

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To wrap up the first round of “20 Questions,” below are additional questions I received.  In the first post, I addressed questions around our upcoming server platforms.  The second post focused on virtualization and cloud computing.  And the final post will answer questions related to future technology trends/adoption. 

If you have additional questions or subjects you’d like me to address, let me know and we’ll play another round of “20 Questions.”   

Are there any plans to support the HyperTransportTM Technology High Node Count (HNC) Specification in future CPUs?

HyperTransportTM technology is a key cornerstone of the AMD OpteronTM processor and is expected to be integrated into future AMD Opteron processors. HyperTransport High Node Count (HNC) is a very interesting new specification that supports the development of highly scalable systems.  HyperTransport technology is an open industry standard and the HNC specification was developed in conjunction with various HyperTransport consortium members.  While not integrated into our public roadmaps at this time, it is a technology in which we see potential.

Is there any news on Torrenza?

Torrenza was an umbrella for a wide range of programs, many of which continue today under our Accelerated Computing initiative.  Accelerated Computing takes into account the hardware and software evolution necessary for new combinations of integrated and discrete products designed to deliver a superior user experience across a broad range of usage scenarios.  Utilizing the GPU for certain computationally intensive workloads via ATI Stream is an example of that, as are new software development tools like OpenCL that makes it easier to take advantage of the CPU and GPU capabilities in a system.  Many of the initial Torrenza technologies were based on the Socket F, so as we move to new sockets (G34 and C32) with Accelerated Computing, we may see different implementations, whether it is socket-based or not. Just like the rest of the market, AMD continues to evolve as we learn more about how customers want to solve computing problems.

Does AMD foresee convergence of desktop and server products/platforms in the future, perhaps when CPU power is no longer the limiting factor in software progress?

Actually, we are seeing the opposite.  The biggest driver for change in servers that we are seeing is the need for lower power consumption, not higher power parts.  As we look at future processors, we expect to continue to see the divergence of the desktop and server roadmaps. In a desktop, the impact of a higher power processor is less profound than in a server where multiple CPUs can be consuming much more electricity.

Are there plans to release the current Six-Core AMD OpteronTM processor in a quad-core variant in the future? 

There are currently no plans, but there are plans for quad-core models of the C32 processor in the first half of 2010.

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John Fruehe is the Director of Business Development for Server/Workstation products at AMD. His postings are his own opinions and may not represent AMD’s positions, strategies or opinions. Links to third party sites are provided for convenience and unless explicitly stated, AMD is not responsible for the contents of such linked sites and no endorsement is implied.

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Jul 29

Playing 20 Questions (Part 1)

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We’ve all played the game, is it bigger than a breadbox? Is it an animal, vegetable or mineral? I decided to try an ambitious exercise, soliciting input directly from folks in IT who have questions about our products and where they are headed.

I received more than 20 in this first round and for the purpose of this post, I’ll focus on five questions related to our upcoming server platforms.  Look for more posts that address questions around virtualization/cloud computing and future technologies in the coming days and weeks. Because these questions are around future platforms, some data won’t be available until launch. 

Is Socket C32 being designed to be backwards compatible with the existing Socket F?

No. Socket F is a DDR2 design and C32 is DDR3.  Having interchangeable processors and memories would mean a massive test matrix that OEMs might find difficult to support.  Eventually you’ll have to switch over to the new design.  Based on the fact that we expect Socket F to end up with ~5 years of life in it from 2006 to 2011, we feel it has served the market well and we don’t want to be focusing the new generation of processor into a 4 year old platform.

Are you going to allow a C32 socket to accept 8-core or 12-core CPU, or a G34 socket to accept 4-core or 6-core CPU?

We do not have plans to support this.  The C32 and G34 sockets are different form factors with different sizes and pin counts and are targeting workloads with different needs in terms of computational capabilities. The C32 and G34 platforms address different form factors and customer workloads.  Our goal is to introduce product features (including core counts) that are best aligned to those customer needs.

Does AMD plan to scale into the >100 thread 8P market with G34 systems?

The G34 systems planned for 2010 are expected to offer scalability to 4 sockets each with 12 cores per socket; that represents a total of 48 cores for a 4P platform.  The challenge in moving beyond that level for many mainstream business applications can be that the scalability of the software becomes a bigger challenge than the scalability of the hardware. (Specialized HPC-style applications may be another story altogether.) The market for single systems with 96 cores appears to be very limited at the moment, and new technologies like HPC, cloud and developments such as the HyperTransport HNC specification all represent ways of getting greater scalability in a scale out mode vs. scaling the systems up.

Will AMD be the single chipset source for server main boards in the long term?

AMD plans to release the SR5690 chipset later this year.  That will be utilized with existing Socket F processors as well as the future “Maranello” and “San Marino” platforms.  We can’t speak to the plans of other companies, but we welcome any additional chipset products from other vendors; competition always breeds the best innovation.

AMD has placed a great deal of emphasis on the fact that all of the new Six-Core AMD OpteronTM processors (formerly codenamed “Istanbul”) fit within the same TDP/ACP as the previous Quad-Core AMD OpteronTM processors (formerly codenamed “Shanghai”). Can we expect this trend to continue with “Magny Cours” and “Interlagos” despite the increasing core count?

Because we are moving to a new platform (codenamed “Maranello”), there is not a need to have exactly the same TDP/ACP as past processors. We do recognize that customers are very comfortable with the power/thermal bands that we have established and we plan to continue to use power bands that are very similar to what we use today. In general, we plan to continue the approach of allowing a single platform to be able to support more than one generation of processors (though not mixed in the same system of course), sharing a common power/thermal envelope.  Just as the Socket F (1207) allowed us to support Rev F dual -core, “Barcelona,” “Shanghai” and “Istanbul,” we believe that “Maranello” will support both the “Magny Cours” processors as well as the “Interlagos” processors. We expect the “San Marino” platform to support the “Lisbon” processor as well as its follow-on, the “Valencia” processor.

 

john-frueheJohn Fruehe is the Director of Business Development for Server/Workstation products at AMD. His postings are his own opinions and may not represent AMD’s positions, strategies or opinions. Links to third party sites are provided for convenience and unless explicitly stated, AMD is not responsible for the contents of such linked sites and no endorsement is implied.

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May 07

Playing “Hi-Lo”

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You’d think being here in Austin, we’d be playing Texas Hold ‘Em, but with our recent announcement, it’s clear that Hi-Lo is the winning game.

Take a look at the server market today; 70% of the volume is in the dual socket space[i].  And it’s growing. Willie Sutton was once quoted (incorrectly) with saying that he robbed banks because “that’s where the money is at.” So why are we driving so hard in the two socket space?  Because that’s where the volume is at.  And you can quote me, correctly, on that one.

With our recent server roadmap update announcement, we are introducing the world to a new strategy for addressing the 2P market – G34 platforms on the high end, and C32 on the low end.  Hi-low.  It’s a big enough market that you would have to be crazy to think that it can’t be addressed by two different platforms.  Two different platforms that are more the same than fraternal twins, but we’ll get to that in a minute.

Think for a moment about where the 2P market is going. In the past few years we have been adding more cores, more expandability and more RAS features to our products – because customers have been demanding it for virtualization and other resource-hungry applications. But at the same time, a new class of application need is being driven by the low end.  Cloud computing, the growth of SMB applications and sprawling network infrastructure are creating a demand for lower power and lower priced, reliable servers.  The same density and business needs that drove AMD to add the AMD Opteron™ EE processors to our product line are driving a new platform that we expect will give you everything you need for most applications, but at a low cost, with very low power consumption.

G34 platforms, under the platform name of “Maranello”, are designed for expandability and performance. We plan to offer four memory channels per socket and 8 or 12 core processors perfectly suited to handle the most demanding 2P environments.  As an added bonus, these processors and platforms are expected to be able to scale easily to 4P. No longer will you have different models to choose from (2000 or 8000), we expect the new G34 processors to be able to easily handle both markets, simplifying the lives of those building servers as well as those maintaining servers.

C32 platforms, which we plan to bring to market under the platform name “San Marino”, are designed for the needs of the other half of the stack.  Scaling 1P and 2P solutions, the two memory channels and 4 or 6 cores are planned to perfectly match the hundreds of thousands of applications where 12 cores and 4 memory channels may be overkill.  Especially when it comes to electricity.  These processors sip electricity, they don’t gulp it.  They deliver the right level of performance for small/medium businesses, for cloud environments, and for network infrastructure needs. By utilizing a simple design, with fewer memory channels, AMD expects to deliver a relatively lower infrastructure cost.  And with planned power envelopes below the total range of current AMD Opteron processors, we expect that fewer fans, smaller heatsinks and smaller power supplies can help you achieve greater energy efficiency, lower noise, and of course lower cost.

So what about that twins comment?  What do these processors have in common?  Plenty.  They are expected to utilize the same core.  The same chipset design.  The same BIOS base.  We expect the C32 designs to be able to span 1P to 2P and G34 to span 2P to 4P.  They overlap is at that “meat of the market” intersection where the highest volumes live, for plenty of coverage in all directions. We expect that as a system designer, it will be a trivial feat to take a C32 design and change it to G34.  More commonality across a vendor’s products is a good thing.  As a customer this can help you drive down your long term cost of management.

Of course the question “so, you’re abandoning the 1P and 4P space” naturally comes up.  Nothing is further from the truth.  The C32 is expected to allow for a much more flexible 1P.  Low cost and simplicity to meet the needs of the 1P market, but with scale up capabilities to take it to 2P. Think of it as 1P on steroids (the good kind, not the baseball kind).

And 4P?  What can help turn the tide in a market that is slowly being encroached by 2P?  How about a platform that combines the best of both and allows a company to deliver a low-cost entry-level 4P server?  Talk about breathing new life into a market that sorely needs to adjust to the new realities of business in the post Y2K work. The time is right for this hybrid approach.

We’re very excited about how we plan to help our technology partners bring these new designs to market.  Without naming names, let’s just say that there is a renewed enthusiasm amongst our industry partners who have made comments about this truly being “game changing.” One even likened this strategy to the launch of the original AMD Opteron processor, an event arguably that did more to change the dynamics of the x86 server market than anything else.

We’ve laid our cards on the table now, and it it’s clear that in 2010, we expect AMD to be holding the winning hand. Let the games begin.

 

john-frueheJohn Fruehe is the Director of Business Development for Server/Workstation products at AMD. His postings are his own opinions and may not represent AMD’s positions, strategies or opinions. Links to third party sites are provided for convenience and unless explicitly stated, AMD is not responsible for the contents of such linked sites and no endorsement is implied.

 


[i] IDC Q4 2008 Worldwide Quarterly Server Tracker, February 2009

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